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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject:
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Bush was a complete retard, did you criticise him?


that's your opinion, and I don't have the same opinions as you. for what it is worth, i have criticized him on several issues.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject:
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that's your opinion, and I don't have the same opinions as you. for what it is worth, i have criticized him on several issues.


its the opinion of pretty much the entire world (americans included) tbh, and where is this criticism
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:43 am    Post subject:
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I dunno if it is just me, but I am not seeing all this change Obama proposes. All I see is vague answers and bold statements, but his record has never given a strong indication to back his platform.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:59 am    Post subject:
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Siren HES NOT THE PRESIDENT YET Siren
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:13 am    Post subject:
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its the opinion of pretty much the entire world (americans included) tbh, and where is this criticism


barry got a little higher percentage of the vote that bush got in 2004, with no larger electorate turnout in this election.

so i guess you're wrong.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:19 am    Post subject:
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probably best to go by bushes actual current aproval ratings rather than compare his election results from 4 years ago with obamas and prove nothing but hey whatever works for you
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:25 am    Post subject:
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First you are not an American, and secondly I am one not to be fooled by vague statements. His agenda doesn't really tell me anything he plans to do other than very vague overarching suggestions that as usual for many years tries to tell me exactly what I might want to hear.


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President-Elect Obama and Vice President-Elect Biden have developed innovative approaches to challenge the status quo in Washington and to bring about the kind of change America needs.

The Obama Administration has a comprehensive and detailed agenda to carry out its policies. The principal priorities of the Obama Administration include: a plan to revive the economy, to fix our health care, education, and social security systems, to define a clear path to energy independence, to end the war in Iraq responsibly and finish our mission in Afghanistan, and to work with our allies to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, among many other domestic and foreign policy objectives.


How will he revive the economy? Well I hear recently he plans for more bailouts. To me bailout just sounds like a quick fix to a very serious problem in our economy.

What does responsibly mean in reference to the Iraq war? Is he afraid to answer the question straightly. I really can't perceive what he means by responsibly other than a way to dodge what I expect will happen, which is that we won't be leaving for a while. I mean how can we, when we are building an embassy there bigger than the Vatican, as well as 14 new military bases.

The problem with our Health care is that as usual we as American people have become reliant on the government to run our daily lives. If health care becomes government controlled it will be a sad day for democracy and yet another move towards socialism.

The problem with education is the standardization of it. We try to make our system work for the lowest common denominators. Furthermore our culture increasingly places a low emphasis on education. Most people feel they are getting an education because they have to and not for the desire to be knowledgeable, and so they are learning solely to get the paper that says they spent their 4 years.

I also don't understand the urgency in allowing a small country to have a nuclear weapon. Imagine if Russia invaded Mexico, I think we would be shitting our pants here in America. Why is it impossible to see that Iran feels threatened by our total lack of respect to the sovereignty of other nations in its region. The fact is that a country without nuclear arms has no way to ensure its protection from America.

Furthermore I just don't see how he can fund all these government projects and maintain an already massive government which overspends money that it does not have.

Also if has developed approaches to challenge status quo why can't he even share but one way he intends to challenge this. I am afraid to say it, but I don't really expect much change in this coming 4 years.
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tl;dr

bscly the crux of the matter and i'll say it again is

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you cant bemoan the fact that obama hasnt changed anything yet when he is still waiting to get into office. in your post you acknowledged he has proposed change so how can you then complain that he has not enacted any. silly
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we dont do "tl;dr" in p&ce.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject:
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bscly the crux of the matter and i'll say it again is



you cant bemoan the fact that obama hasnt changed anything yet when he is still waiting to get into office. in your post you acknowledged he has proposed change so how can you then complain that he has not enacted any. silly


He has propose change?

He has not proposed any change. He has said he will make changes and has listed vague areas of what he might change, but never once has he made a specific statement claiming something he would change. Even in the debate it felt to me like both candidates spouted change like some buzzword yet never gave any specific example. Change is what the American people wanted to hear so thats what they both told them.

Also I said I don't EXPECT change. Maybe if Obama says CHANGE 1000 more times maybe I will be hypnotized into believing, but right now I see no reason to believe he actually is gonna do much changing.
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